Subject: News from NYSAHI-IS IT WORTH GOING TO ALBANY?
From: Gregg Harwood
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:23:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: gregg@professionalhome.com

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Regulatory News For New York State Home Inspectors AUGUST 9, 2007
In This Issue
President's Message
Letter to DOS
DOS states Home Inspectors may not make recommendations
Next DOS Meeting
Upcoming Events
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Gregg
 PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE 
 
Hi everyone,
 
I apologize for sending you two newsletters in two days, but I have received some questions about whether it is worth traveling to the DOS meeting next week, or if this is already a done deal.  Here is what I know.
 
The DOS and the Home Inspector Advisory Council definitely know that what has been proposed is not acceptable to the profession.  They have received emails and letters to that effect and have received the NYSAHI Task Force alternative documents.  I know that at least some of the Advisory Council members know what the problems are, but I have not talked to the Council chair, Joe Pasaturo, in a couple of months so I do not know in what direction he is planning on heading.
 
We must remember that the Council is advisory in nature only, the real power lies with the staff of the Department of State.  They must, by law, take into account the Council's comments, but when it comes right down to it, they do not have to follow the Council's recommendations.
 
The biggest issue in this whole mess for me is that the DOS staff does not appear to understand what home inspectors do and what the value of this service is to our clients.  They also do not understand the difference between home inspection and engineering or what an inspector may legally say about a system without straying into engineering. 
 
The single scariest  statement I have heard is DOS Counsel Whitney Clark's assertion, on the record, that home inspectors may report what they saw, but may not recommend a course of action, explain the importance of the observation etc..  If this opinion is allowed to stand and become codified by regulation, home inspecting as we know it is at an end in NYS.
 
Whether intentional or not, the Department of State is attempting to redefine our profession, dumb it down, and place strict limits on what an inspector can do when practicing his/her profession. 
 
What our profession will be next year and into the future is being decided right now by people who do not understand, have a separate agenda, or both.   The DOS has asked for comments from the profession on these documents and I for one will make the trip to give my comments in person.  
 
I hope others will do the same.
(Sorry for the rant.  Please read Dan Friedman's letter to Whitney Clark below for a more scholarly discussion of the issues at hand.  Please also read the record of Whitney Clark's comments below.)
 
Gregg
Letter to DOS from
Dan Friedman, NYSAHI Director at Large
 
TO:
Whitney Clark,  
Counsel for the Department  of State
NYS Department of State
Division of Licensing Services
PO Box 22001
Albany, NY 12201-2001
email Whitney.Clark@dos.state.ny.us
 
FROM:
Daniel Friedman
American Home Service Co.
3 Willowbrook Hgts.
Poughkeepsie, NY  12603
 
Dear Counsel:
 
I write to express my grave concern regarding the proposed code of ethics and standards of practice for home inspectors licensed in New York, and with more than 20 years experience in the profession as an inspector, as an educator for home inspectors in New York and across the U.S. and Canada, as well as a researcher and writer on building failures and building failure diagnosis.  My experience and credentials can be read at www.inspect-ny.com/danbio.htm
 
I am particularly familiar with longstanding "turf war" issues between a minority of licensed engineers in New York and the who perform home inspections and the majority of well qualified home inspectors who have other basis for their experience and expertise.
 
It appears as if the State has inadvertently stepped into the sticky unpleasantness of a renewal of that very old and tired issue, one which was examined closely among home inspection professionals and the NYS Engineering Board back when Doug Hasbrouck was its head.
 
Simply put, forbidding home inspectors to comment on the adequacy of basic mechanical or structural components of a home, and asserting that only a licensed engineer can make such a pronouncement runs afoul of the following basic points:
 
1. Every building trade which works on homes includes workers who have to make daily assessments of the condition, function,useability, and general adequacy of plumbing, electrical, heating, air conditioning, masonry foundations, roof framing, wall framing, and every other system in a home. No licensed professional engineer is consulted when an air conditioning installer selects and installs ductwork; No licensed professional engineer, and no architect is consulted when a homeowner installs or replaces a heating boiler. The trades people are educated about the basic procedures used to determine what is appropriate for the homeowner.
 
In short, the proposed ethics and standards for home inspectors, people charged with observing the basic condition and useabilty of components in a home, would forbid a home inspector from doing what even the local plumber, electrician,
carpenter, or mason are expected to do. This is not engineering.
 
2. Even most professional engineers are not qualified to make pronouncements of the condition of a home. A licensed professional engineer is licensed in and is expected to practice with his or her area of specialty. Engineering specialties include topics beyond construction and mechanical systems, such as electrical engineering (circuit design for IBM),
chemical engineering, aerospace engineering, etc.  By the proposed law and code of ethics and standards for home inspectors, an engineer whose degree, training, and experience are all in the design of electronic circuits, might be permitted to assert that the foundation of a home does or does not need repair, or that the air conditioning system is adequate!
 
3. The proposed ethics and standards for home inspectors which inappropriately limit the scope of practice of home inspectors fail to recognize what the NYS Dept. of Engineers, the American Society of Home Inspectors, and associations in other states have long recognized: home inspection is a singular profession in its own right, with its own area of special knowledge and training, in particular, focused on the observation and detection of "in service" defects in homes - things that are NOT at all represented in the curriculum of professional engineering or architectural education. 
 
In sum, the proposed limits expressed in the State's Standards of Practice and Code of Ethics for home inspectors
 
1. are inappropriate, reflect the wishes of a minority of engineers who want the "turf" of home inspection to themselves,
 
2. fail to recognize that assessments of virtually all components of homes are regularly assessed by tradespeople not engineers
 
3. reseve for professional engineers work that is presently done by home inspectors and trades people both of whom are in many instances far the most qualified for those assessments
 
4. would preclude bringing the expertise of the home inspection profession with its focus on in-service field conditions to the benefit of homeownes and consumers and would reduce the available services of building diagnosticians by excluding some of the most and best qualified professionals in the state, educated and trained home inspectors, from working in their trained and qualified profession.
 
5. would introduce a deliberate and marketing-based confusion among home owners who, by following the guidelines in the proposed standards and ethics, FAIL to recognize when it IS appropriate and necessary to consult a design professional, working within his or her area of expertise, such as when the application of engineering principles of design, calculation, and evaluation ARE needed to design a repair, system, or solution to a problem.
 
Please STOP the proposed and inappropriate code of ethics and standards of practice, and CONSULT with the experienced, educated, and dedicated professionals in the home inspection profession, including its engineer and architect members, and CORRECT the proposed guidelines.
 
If you do not take appropriate action the result is nothing less than a dumbing down of the level of professionalism and service available to homeowners who need a competent home inspection, and thus ultimately the proposed language hurts consumers.
 
Respectfully
 
Daniel Friedman
 EXCERPT FROM MAY 2, 2007 MEETING IN WHICH DOS COUNSEL STATES THAT A HOME INSPECTOR MAY NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR EXPRESS OPINIONS 
. Pasaturo began a conversation about the definition of a home inspection, and asked W. Clark what the departments legal definition was as written in the law. He believes that a home inspector can give opinions as long as they do not give opinions or comment on the "adequacy of a system" or "structural soundness of a home or structural component". W. Clark stated that evaluating a condition or making a recommendation can cause you to cross the line from home inspection to acting as an engineer. Members feel there are situations where opinions are given and they are not crossing that line (i.e. a deteriorating furnace needs to be replaced; a 30-year old roof with missing shingles needs to be replaced). W. Clark stated they should not be giving opinions. J. Pasaturo believes this issue needs to be made clear to both the home inspectors and the public. P. Gressin suggested defining "observe" in the regulations to help clarify.
 Next DOS Meeting:...
 
All home inspectors are encouraged to attend.  There is a public comment session at each meeting. 

New York State Home Inspection Council

Location: Alfred E. Smith State Office Bldg., 80 South Swan Street, 10th Floor Exam/Conference Room, Albany
Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Time: 10:30 a.m.
Contact: Carol Fansler, (518) 486-3857
Agenda:
Review of SOP and COE
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