Subject: News from NYSAHI- DOS meeting postponed, Report from New Orleans
From: Gregg Harwood
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
To: gregg@professionalhome.com

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Regulatory News For New York State Home Inspectors February 17, 2008
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President's Message
Next DOS Meeting
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Gregg
 PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE 
 
REPORT  FROM NEW ORLEANS
 
Each year, during their annual conference, ASHI hosts a meeting of the National Coalition of Home Inspector
Associations (NCHIA).  
 
This organization consists of state and national inspector organizations that agree to communicate on topics of mutual interest, such as licensing and regulation.  This year, approximately eight state organizations were in attendance.  I attend these meetings to represent NYSAHI. 
 
I learned a couple of interesting things from two of our neighboring states during the meeting.  The representatives from Pennsylvania believe that they are close to having a licensing law passed in their state.  As of now, Pennsylvania home inspectors are regulated by a trades practices act, not licensing.   This regulation is widely seen as being ineffective and largely ignored. 
 
The representatives from New Jersey reported that their state licensing board will not grant reciprocity with New York inspectors since New Jersey requires more initial training and more hours of continuing education than New York does.   If this is the case, inspectors that want to work in both states would have to maintain two separate licenses.  Our licensing law does allow the Department of State to seek reciprocal agreements with other states, but I do not believe that this procedure has formally begun. 
 
The other main topic during the meeting, and at the ASHI conference as a whole, was the economy and the downturn in the housing market.  Everyone is feeling the squeeze.
 
I have provided a copy of my report at the end of this newsletter. 
 
Keep your ear to the ground and please let me know of anything in NY that affects our profession.
 
Gregg
 
Gregg Harwood, NYSAHI President 2008-09
 Next DOS Meeting:...
 
All home inspectors are encouraged to attend.  There is a public comment session at each full meeting, but not at work session meetings. 
 
 

New York State Home Inspection Council

 
THE FEBRUARY 27 MEETING HAS BEEN POSTPONED!
 
WE WILL PROVIDE NEW DATE AND TIME WHEN INFO BECOMES AVAILABLE.
Location:
Date:
 
Time:
Contact: Carol Fansler, (518) 486-3857 for more details.
 
 
 Report
The following is the report that I gave to NCHIA at our January meeting.  It provides a brief overview of 2007.
Gregg Harwood
 

NYSAHI 2007 Review

 

The New York State Home Inspector Professional Licensing Act went into effect on December 31, 2005.  The law is administered by the Department of State.  The profession is represented within the Department by a six member Home Inspector Advisory Council.

 

As with any new adventure, especially ones that involve interaction with state government, there have been good aspects and also plenty of frustrations.  In general, the frustrations stem from working with an established bureaucracy. 

 

The first bureaucratic snafu was that the legislature and the Governor were slow to  appoint the six members of the advisory council.  Therefore, since the Department of State was required to start issuing licenses in January 2006, they had to proceed without the guidance of the Advisory Council and established the basic rules and regulations without input from the profession. 

 

Our Department of State appears to see it's job as issuing licenses, rather than consumer protection, and is reluctant to interpret or enforce regulations that would be an obstacle to a person obtaining a license.  Two quick examples will illustrate this point.

 

The most obvious example of this mindset is our licensing examination.  Due to political realities, during the drafting of the law, we were unable to require much initial training and experience.  The required training is 100 hours of classroom time and 40 hours of field work.  However, we were able to include an exam requirement that is defined in the law as testing for competency in home inspection.  We hoped that this requirement of competency would be effective. 

 

However, the Department's definition of competency has no relationship to a person's ability to recognize defects during a home inspection and then report them to their client.  Rather, the Department's definition is an exam that one third of the applicants fail.  This definition sets the standard of the test by the quality of the people taking the test, not by the requirements of the profession.  In essence, this is "grading on a curve" like in high school when the students don't really understand a difficult subject but the teacher does not want to fail the whole class.

 

Example number two has to do with continuing education.  This was another aspect of the law that was hoped would raise the level of the profession over the long term. However, while CE is required for license renewal, we are not required to provide proof of attending CE courses during the license renewal process.  Rather, renewals are issued without any verification that CE has been completed.  We have already heard of inspectors that have not bothered with obtaining CE and plan upon waiting to see if they get audited. 

 

As can be seen by these two examples, a regulatory authority that has consumer protection as its goal could easily raise the level of the profession by the way it interrupts and administers the law.  Small changes in how the Department does things would make a big difference.  However, we have what we have, so I will bring you up to date on what has transpired during the last year.

 

2006 was notable as the inaugural year of the Home Inspector Advisory Council in the Department of State.  While one of the six seats on the council remains vacant, the profession now has an official voice.  The Council has much work ahead of it to fulfill its mandate of advising the department. 

 

The majority of the Council's efforts this year went into development of the Standards of Practice and Code of Ethics for our profession.  Our state will not adopt documents from outside sources, such as Standards and Ethics promulgated by national inspector professional societies. 

 

The first draft versions of the SOP and COE were unacceptable to NYSAHI.  Text in these early versions would have prohibited inspectors from discussing the cause of a defect, due to DOS fears that we would be practicing engineering.  As an example, inspectors could state that the basement is wet but could not say that the likely cause was inadequate gutters and grading and could not make a recommendation to correct these conditions. 

 

NYSAHI strongly opposed these documents and motivated inspectors drive to the state capital to pack the next DOS meeting to beyond standing room capacity.  This strategy was effective.  The draft versions were significantly revised and as of now are under review by the Governor's office.  We will have another public comment period opportunity prior to the final adoption of the regulations.

 

The next issue on the Advisory Council's agenda is to review the initial inspector training provisions, especially the 40 hour field training requirement.  The original intent of this phase of the training was to have trainees attend approximately 13 to 15 real inspections on a one-on-one basis with a licensed inspector.  However, due to the rush to establish the initial regulations, and the lack of input from the profession, this critical element in the initial training has been diluted.  Some schools are sending up to fifteen trainees out with a single inspector on as few as three inspections.  It will be no small task to develop regulations that maximize the benefit of the training, satisfy the schools logistical needs and that are also agreeable to the DOS. 

 

Our state wide organization, NYSAHI, remains active in monitoring and responding to home inspector regulations.  Our president attends every Department of State meeting, two of our directors have seats on the Advisory council, and we have developed a good working relationship with DOS staff.  We have a paid lobbyist who has proved invaluable.  Our main way of communicating with our membership, and all other interested parties, is through a free email newsletter.  We currently have 650 inspectors subscribing to this newsletter.

 

NYSAHI operates on an all volunteer basis with hundreds of volunteer hours and an annual budget of $16,000. 

 

Market Place Trends:

 

Licensing has increased the number of home inspectors in NYS.  Prior to licensing our best guess is that there were about 1000 practicing inspectors in our state.  There are now 1800 licensed inspectors.  It is impossible to determine what percentage of these new inspectors have established viable businesses, and how many have failed or have not attempted to pursue the profession. 

 

In talking to inspectors from across the state, volume this year appears to be off by at least 10% in most regions to 30% or more.  With the double whammy of the influx of new inspectors and the downturn in the housing market, it is impossible to determine the effect of the new licensees on total volume.  My gut feeling is that the market downturn has much more to do with our reduced volume than the new inspectors. 

 

Our licenses are good for two years and therefore, we have just started our first license renewals.  Some of the first licensees have not renewed.  However, this number appears to be what would be expected from normal attrition such as retirement, relocation or health issues.  

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CNY-ASHI Spring Seminar (EIFS, Metal Roofing, Chimneys)

Barbagallo's Restaurant, 6344 E. Molloy Road, EastSyracuse, NY

Saturday, March 15. Registration at 8:00 AM

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OTHER CREDITS: 7 ASHI (pending)

COST: $85 for ASHI members, $110 for the public

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